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Xon
Apr 26, 2005 17:24:53 GMT -5
Post by csmith on Apr 26, 2005 17:24:53 GMT -5
Neem sent me the evidence. I've looked through it, and we are definitely right. It doesn't look like there are any objections to me filing the case and prosecuting (We'll have to find a different prosecutor if it gets appealed, though.), so I will file the case as soon as we know who will preside in the Criminal Court. Nate, do you just want to do it and fill in for Z? Also, I don't see any reason why we can't prosecute Xon. Just because he's not a citizen doesn't mean he isn't subject to our laws. He's entered our territory by posting on these forums and thus becomes subject to our laws.
Finally...DO NOT DESTROY OR TAMPER WITH ANY EVIDENCE.
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Xon
Apr 26, 2005 17:35:01 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 26, 2005 17:35:01 GMT -5
i can fill in for Z, sure... i will honestly try to be impartial. will this be decided by jury or judge?
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Xon
Apr 26, 2005 18:00:41 GMT -5
Post by csmith on Apr 26, 2005 18:00:41 GMT -5
I'm guessing either party can call for a jury trial, so it all depends.
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Xon
Apr 26, 2005 22:27:07 GMT -5
Post by neem on Apr 26, 2005 22:27:07 GMT -5
Sounds lovely to me.
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Xon
Apr 27, 2005 18:01:19 GMT -5
Post by Bartholomew Henzelli on Apr 27, 2005 18:01:19 GMT -5
Carson, it's not that Xon has different IP addresses, it's that Andy's and Xon's IP ALWAYS matches within minutes of each other. Well...at least like 90% of the time. I have word viewer. I would like to have a copy of your evidence....even though I've seen it all already.
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Xon
Apr 27, 2005 19:31:53 GMT -5
Post by neem on Apr 27, 2005 19:31:53 GMT -5
Oh ok, email is... what?
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Xon
Apr 28, 2005 16:20:30 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 28, 2005 16:20:30 GMT -5
xon just IMed me... he is not participting because he doesnt think a Lavalonian court would be fair. he wants the case forwarded to the IA with no Lavalonian or Avalonian judges/jurors.
well... not "wants" but thats the only way he'd participat in this trial.
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Xon
Apr 28, 2005 17:22:49 GMT -5
Post by neem on Apr 28, 2005 17:22:49 GMT -5
Interesting. I'll leave that up to you and Carson.
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Xon
Apr 28, 2005 17:38:00 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 28, 2005 17:38:00 GMT -5
well... i dont know... Carson... you've put the case together, do you want to bring it to the IA? As a citizen of the IA, the IA's ruling would have more bearing on him than a Lavalonian verdict.
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 10:17:27 GMT -5
Post by Bartholomew Henzelli on Apr 29, 2005 10:17:27 GMT -5
My email is b.a.henzelli@gmail.com
I would like to see him handed over to us, considering that it was our law that he violated. But if the IA is the only way we can get him to participate, consider that his plea bargain.
I'm leaving it up to you guys (Nate and Carson) to decide where to hold the trial. If it's appealed, I would be more than happy to replace Carson as prosecutor.
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 13:45:32 GMT -5
Post by neem on Apr 29, 2005 13:45:32 GMT -5
Oh my. Nate, did you read that email he told me he sent you?
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 14:14:32 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 29, 2005 14:14:32 GMT -5
no email... forward it to me perhaps? i dont think there will be a trial... have u read the latest issues of the Avalonian Times (which still have "lavalonweekly" in the url )? wow... just... wow...
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 16:10:40 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 29, 2005 16:10:40 GMT -5
xon just IMed me... he told me his "plea bargain"
he wants Lavalonian citizenship.... if I grant him citizenship, he will plead guilty to our trial.
If i dont... he will not participate in the trial and contine to "facilitate the further detioration of Lavalonian relations with the rest of the micronational community."
well... here, just read our whole convo:
xon = markers87 me = spacedragon87
markers87 [3:22 P.M.]: I presume neem has already presented my e-mail to her to the rest of the Lavalonian cabinet. What is your decision? SpaceDragon87 [3:23 P.M.]: i havent seen the email markers87 [3:24 P.M.]: Okay. I suppose you know what a plea agreement is, so is it okay if I discuss my bargain with you? SpaceDragon87 [3:25 P.M.]: sure markers87 [3:33 P.M.]: Well, ahem, I may possible participate in your trial. If I do, I will plead guilty. Now, obviously, that is a big thing for me to do. Huge. There has to be something in return, and you know it. What I want in return is citizenship in Avalonia. I am not subject to the unnamed act that forbids citizens from having multiple citizenships, because I am in the first place not a Lavalonian citizen. In fact, the law reads as follows: 5. Noncitizens will not be able to apply for citizenship in this country unless they file a request will the Supreme Court and they are forgiven. What I'd like for you to do is accept my guilty plea, forgive me, and then grant me citizenship. If you do not do this, then I will not participate in the trial and I will maintain my innocence as well as facilitate the further detioration of Lavalonian relations with the rest of the micronational community. markers87 [3:33 P.M.]: What I want in return is citizenship in Avalonia -- I mean LAVALON SpaceDragon87 [3:34 P.M.]: i dont respond well to blackmail markers87 [3:35 P.M.]: This is not blackmail. This is a bargain. You get a conviction, the public spectacle of a trial, and I get Lavalonian citizenship. We both benefit. You more so than me. markers87 [3:37 P.M.]: So? SpaceDragon87 [3:37 P.M.]: ill have to consider it markers87 [3:37 P.M.]: Good. I'll stay in contact. --bye SpaceDragon87 [3:38 P.M.]: cya markers87 [3:39 P.M.]: ttyl markers87 [4:41 P.M.]: Oh, I forgot to mention that any decision you decide to make must be made by 7:00 PM CST. SpaceDragon87 [4:41 P.M.]: i c
so i got 2 hours... i dont WANT to give him citizenship... i dont trust him... but what are your thoughts everyone?
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 16:35:40 GMT -5
Post by neem on Apr 29, 2005 16:35:40 GMT -5
HAHAHAH. What a complete turn around.
Here:
That's the email. I could forward it to anyone who wants to see it
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Xon
Apr 29, 2005 17:06:23 GMT -5
Post by admin on Apr 29, 2005 17:06:23 GMT -5
this guy needs to pick a way to blackmail and stay consistant! in light of this... double dealing... im not doing anything... he can continue to rail against Lavalon... the only people who would listen to him are people who dont matter. whatever xon does... i suggest we jut ignore him... if he jut keeps on bitching and complaining about Lavalon, even people stupid enough to continue to to listen to him will wise up after a few weeks of total slander... ya know what im saying? let's not sink to his level everyone... keep an air of dignity... God knows he has none...
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