Mapping Situation

[csmith]

No. I want Lavalon to be a real nation, eventually (way in the future) with a non-simulated state attached.

[admin]

Then you will agree that we are a simulated state now?

[csmith]

Yes, and I do not want that.

[admin]

Ok. Give me a detailed plan on how we will attain sovereign land and then we can resume this discussion. Because, right now, Lavalon is simulated and should associate with other simulated states for support and comraderie.

[csmith]

In the short term, there should be no state associated with Lavalon. I'm not saying we should get rid of our government, though: plenty of nations, the obvious example being the U.S. Native American nations, have land.

In the long term, however, I think that acquiring land might be a worthwhile goal. It will take many years, and by the time an independent Lavalon is established, we may all be dead, but with a lot of dedication, it is possible. It is simple: we all give money and raise money. Another idea, if we wish to never have a state but just a nation, is to do something like Ibrosia and the former Sovereign Principality did: have citizens declare their land part of Lavalon.

[admin]

The Native American's land is "held in trust by the United States for American Indians." And the fact that the Bureau of Indian Affairs is in the Interior Department now and not in the War (Defense) Department (every tribe was recognized as a sovereign, hostile entity, like France or Britain) shows that, legally, the land is owned by the US government.

www.doi.gov/bureau-indian-affairs.html

Ok, you can donate your land to Lavalon. But if that land is within another state, there's no chance of it being recognized. Perhaps if you found a loophole somewhere (Molossia does not recognize the US's right to invade Mexico in the Mexican War, and therefore to not recognize the Mexican Cessesion as legally belonging to the US (and, apparently, not to Mexico either ))

The point is, while we are here, depending on a forum and electronic doodads, we are simulated.

[csmith]

It seems I shall just have to accept the fact that I am the only one with this stance on the M.C.S. Let's all move on.

[neem]

Good

[Bartholomew Henzelli]

Until we have that island (Hopefully in Indonesia! Gettin' back to da roots! ), then I believe we can safely call our rows and columns of pixels our home.
And you're not the only one who would like to see Lavalon become a real, viable, physical state, Mr. Smith. I, too, would like to see it happen. But I'm being pragmatic when I look at the big picture and say that this pixelated map is the best we have right now so we should keep it.

[csmith]

There are plenty of serious micronations like us that have no land and are not part of the M.C.S...

[Bartholomew Henzelli]

Then consider this MCS claim what makes us somewhat unique.
It's a unique group of micronations all bundled together on the MCS map. We can look special and the other micronations without MCS claims can either take us seriously or not.
If they don't take us seriously, we won't take them seriously. We shouldn't have to do what other micronations are doing, and we shouldn't judge ourselves based on their standards.

[admin]

amen!