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Post by Z on Apr 14, 2005 11:12:08 GMT -5
I urge you all not to support this.
It is far to controling.
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Post by Xon on Apr 14, 2005 12:29:14 GMT -5
I agree. Handing over control of political parties to an organization controlled by, well, competing political parties only means that, well, you're gonna be screwed.
Communist China, which I know is adored by some here, actually has about fifteen political parties. Most of them have "worker" or "socialist" in their titles, but all of them are "sanctioned" by the CPC. The CPC, like a newly annointed Bagelcrat-Cookie party would if this legislation is passed, controls the other parties effectively
I urge all Lavalonian's to oppose it strongly, with Z, because it is anti-democracy.
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Post by csmith on Apr 14, 2005 13:15:03 GMT -5
Okay, so instead, we should allow foreigners to come in and found political parties and people to go around founding what are basically comedy clubs that masquerade as political parties? Come on, we have somewhere around ten citizens and almost as many political parties.
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Post by Xon on Apr 14, 2005 13:33:30 GMT -5
No. I am against foreigners being able to form and oversee political parties. What I am against is the Political Congress, and the powers given to it by this latest legislation. While this latest legislation does prevent foreigners from founding political parties, it also solidifies the power of the PC.
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Post by Brian Capelle on Apr 14, 2005 14:58:45 GMT -5
Well gee, Carson, thank you so much. Just because the origin of the Cheesehead is a joke, there's no way in the WORLD that the party could be somewhat serious, I guess. I suppose parties with names like "Cheesehead" and "Bagelcratian" and "pro-Cookie" just have to be absolutely useless due to their names.
I very well intend the Cheesehead party tohave legitimate positions, despite the fact that it may be involved a good bit in the joke it was founded on. After all, as mentioned before, the Bagelcratian party was originally a joke...
Not trying to offend anyone here, I am just slightly sarcastic, that is the kind of person I am.
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Post by Bartholomew Henzelli on Apr 14, 2005 16:53:57 GMT -5
The PC was passed....and survived an appeal to remove it.
The "legislation" of which you speak is not legislation. It is a regulation on the stickies awarded to parties.
It does not give the PC power to "control" the parties--it simply gives the PC an objective way to award stickies.
And all regulations of the PC are passed by the PC--not the GA. They do not have the force of law, but the force of a rule. If you join a party, you abide by that party's rules. It's the same in the PC. You have to abide by the rules of the PC.
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Post by admin on Apr 14, 2005 16:56:07 GMT -5
perhaps u should check the GA... there is such legislation on the floor  |
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Post by Z on Apr 14, 2005 16:56:22 GMT -5
still I think the LP deserves a sticky just as much as any other group!
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Post by admin on Apr 14, 2005 16:58:19 GMT -5
so far only the Socialist Party has a sticky...  ;D |
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Post by Bartholomew Henzelli on Apr 14, 2005 16:59:04 GMT -5
Damnit....I need to check the GA first from now on instead of going straight down the list. lol.
Anyway, the LP can't get a sticky because one person thinks it is "deserving." We have rules and bylaws that must be obeyed.
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Post by neem on Apr 14, 2005 17:22:03 GMT -5
I do the same thing..
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Post by csmith on Apr 16, 2005 5:38:02 GMT -5
No, it's not like the Communist Party being able to control other parties, because every party has a delegate to the Political Congress, and if they wish, they can make an appeal to the impartial Administrative Court.
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Post by Xon on Apr 18, 2005 13:34:59 GMT -5
Avalonians just defeated a proposal to "empower" political parties. The proposed amendment would have required that for anyone to vote on an act in the senate (which had been impossible because only the Avalonian cabinet can pass acts) the person would have to be a member of a political party. The President could waive this requirement. Also, senators would be required to vote along party lines. For an organization to be a political party it would have to have three members or more. These stringent requirements, combined with the possible power political parties would recieve, made that proposed amendment a very good thing for increasing political action in Avalonia--in my opinion. The proposal would not have put political parties in control of other political parties, but would have established a democratic framework in which parties were encouraged but also regulated by the Constitution. Sadly the proposal was defeated.
Notice I am not commenting on the PC. I have promised not to make overt comments concerning the governmental structure or political climate in Lavalon, and I will keep that promise.
Nevertheless this discussion brings to mind the unique position of the Avalonian Senate, which is somewhat flawed yet powerful and protective at the same time.
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Post by Bartholomew Henzelli on Apr 20, 2005 11:28:14 GMT -5
"Empowering" political parties should not be performed by the government. Parties should coalesce power on their own--then they can prove their own power.
I do like the creativity of your failed bill, Xon, but I can see how the Avalonians would have shied away from it. It is law to vote along party lines? That determines every vote before it's motioned, and stifles the free exercise of political beliefs.
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