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Post by csmith on May 20, 2005 15:41:55 GMT -5
Okay, everyone, your elected officials made the decision that it would be this way. I think you will find, once the union is formed, that it will be a fairly equal playing field. We can even call Nate to testify about that if you want.
Your Royal Highness, yes, that is correct, you will become a Natopian citizen with residency in Lavalon once the treaty is ratified, but you would of course be welcome to relinquish the Natopian citizenship or transfer to another region.
Do I hear a second on my motion to amend?
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Post by neem on May 20, 2005 16:59:01 GMT -5
Second
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 20, 2005 18:20:33 GMT -5
1. Do exactly the same thing if it were the other way around. Also.... your power of foreign relations goes away, making all your treaties void, so it would be Natopia with the relations, not Lavalon. We also lose complete control over our foreign relations, even if we have more, and more relations would be easy to pursue or obtain.
2. Fantastic for you, but I am not Natopian. I don't know if I'll like the change.
3. Natopia may gain activity, but I don't think Lavalon itself will gain any.
4. Not sure I understand, but I think you're right on that one anyway.
I'm still voting no. But if it passes I doubt I would relinquish citizenship.
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Post by neem on May 20, 2005 22:06:55 GMT -5
Natopia has like a billion foreign relations...
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 21, 2005 13:42:50 GMT -5
Which we could also develop. An absolutely idiotic reason to merge, since we lose the power anyway.
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Post by neem on May 21, 2005 14:32:15 GMT -5
Sometimes you have to lose power for the better
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 21, 2005 15:16:18 GMT -5
Exactly right! This time, it's not for the better, especially since we could do it ourselves.
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Post by neem on May 21, 2005 15:34:05 GMT -5
We got argue that for days
Motion to vote
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 21, 2005 19:06:15 GMT -5
Yes we could. However, think about it micronationally: would Canada want to turn over power to the USA for Foreign Relations?
In fact, nations would rarely merge at all macronationally, and with good reason; since we consider ourselves real nations, why would we want to just give away power?
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Post by neem on May 21, 2005 22:53:22 GMT -5
How much power do you really think we are giving away?
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Post by csmith on May 22, 2005 10:09:55 GMT -5
I second the motion to vote and vote YES.
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 22, 2005 10:12:06 GMT -5
A HUGE amount. And you are also giving away sovereignty.
Yanno, I really should motion to defer the vote for 1,000 years, but I am not going to.
NO
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Post by Brian Capelle on May 22, 2005 10:13:58 GMT -5
...not to mention the fact that, no offense intended to Nate or anything, Lavalon's culture and government vastly exceeds most other micronations, and you have just decided to give all of our power and prestige away?
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Post by neem on May 22, 2005 13:39:29 GMT -5
Yes
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Post by Aryez on May 22, 2005 13:52:32 GMT -5
Fools......blindly throwing away your independence....
NAY
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