I file charges against Mr Klaas for tampering...

[timjr]

I read a tirade that was vitriolic in its anger against my job as a public official. Everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I wanted to publish parts of Mr Klaas's tirade in my privately-owned newspaper, Lavalon Weekly ( lavalonweekly.blogspot.com ). However upon returning to the General Assembly to find the post, I have been unable to find it.

I ask that the court order a transcript be given to me (or at least a reference to it given to me). If no such transcript can be found I ask that the court allow a lawsuit against Mr Klaas to take place, which stipulates that he deleted his post from the Assembly's public record. This would be three violations:

1. Violation Separation of Powers
2. Commiting an act of Criminal Mischief
3. Ethical Violation


The name of this case is Lavalon Weekly vs. The President.


--xon

[admin]

this court does not exist yet, i beleive.

therefore, i will not make an opinion on this nonexistant charge in the nonexistant court.

[ZacharyKlaas]

The charges don't exist either, there being no laws on those subjects.

But even so, I have no idea what Xon is talking about. My comments remain posted for all to see on this site - I made no effort to remove them, nor would I.

[admin]

ah yes, the matter of there being no laws... reminds me of Antica

[Xon]

Well, this matter of there suddenly "being no laws" is VERY frustrating for me.

I don't presume that Zac is guilty of anything.
I just want to know where his lengthy post (I call it the "tirade") is. If it can't be found, well then I do plan on filing charges, as I have indicated above.

[admin]

ok, charge #1 could be valid. i suppose the Court *could* rule on violations of seperation of power.

charge #2... we have no laws against commiting Criminal Mischief

Charge #3, an ethical violation, i think, is not appropriate for a Court Case. i was taking courses at Gotzborg's Law School before the instructor fell ill and the last lesson was about out of court settlements. I beleive that this Court should not interfer in "ethical" or "moral" situations (a big problem i have with the current US Administration as well). Therefore, i will recommend that both Mr. Klaas and Mr Vasroixe settle this out of court. They may decide to appoint a Mediator who will help each party reach a compromise. Or you may chose arbitration. Each party will agree on an Arbitrator, whose decision will be legally binding, unappealable, and enforced by way of a contract signed prior to the ruling.

Of course, these opinions are merely those of a humble citizen.

also, that humble citizen also found this quote, which may be the tirade:

I suppose this is the traditional "What, me, an ego?" response, but here goes.

I can, and usually do in these contexts, do the meeker (and usually successful) "Hey, gang, don't you think we really should have debate?" kinds of responses. I think usually I can count on people being reasonable in these contexts, so there isn't any reason to escalate some kind of interpersonal conflict in an effort to make a point/make myself look good/etc.

However, this was a different kind of situation. Hear me out and see if you agree.

Basically, we've seen a pattern of behaviour here with Xon. It goes something like this.

1) "Let's all have a discussion about the basic constitutional principles of Lavalon."
2) "Oh, by the way, vote now because a constitution is about to be passed right this second."
3) [after the dust settles] "What, you don't like the constitution? Well, that's your fault, you were there for the vote..."

The rest of you came lately to this little drama...remember, I've been through this with Xon before. Check out my webpages on the previous Lavalon Constitutional Convention". Especially check out the webpages for my reports, as the chair of Convention: Report 1, Report 2, and Report 3.

Please note the increasing tone of my frustration with Xon as he disregards every one of my recommendations for how to build greater legitimacy for Lavalon, to the point where I felt, in my final report, that he would lose any vote on his new constitution. Please note further my irritation with his constant characterisations of the transfer of power as a "coup", which made it impossible to represent Lavalon in any way as a legitimate entity to outsiders.

After the constitutional convention, I also found myself quite annoyed with the continuing stigmatisation of Kieran Bennett and Giorgis Tsilis as "traitors" to Lavalon, an obsession of Xon's which, by the way, is still Lavalon's biggest black eye in the micronationalist community. A lot of people who might have been interested in joining us forever turned the page on us because of this stuff. But don't tell Xon that - he knows what he's doing, right?

I could have let this go, but I'm sick and tired of it. We're all indebted to Xon for many things that Lavalon is, but there are so many things that Lavalon isn't because of Lavalon as well, and this is because of his consistent disregard for important principles of democratic legitimacy. He wants to rush this constitutional process just like he rushed the last one, despite my constant pleas not to rush things and to get the basis of democratic legitimacy for Lavalon right so people would want to participate and feel as if their participation mattered.

I have also spent a great deal of time (many of you will attest to this) reining in Xon's tendency to shoot his mouth off and associate Lavalon with needless controversies, and in some cases, outright insults. He also quite often advertises to the micronational community that Lavalon is "about to pass" legislation which, in the end, doesn't pass because people here don't think it's worthwhile, and now we have to explain to people how this new thing in Lavalon never was anything more than something Xon cooked up. (Did everyone notice the news flash on this site saying Jon was a "candidate for Regent" well before we had even voted to establish this post? Just like always, Xon doesn't want democracy to get in the way of his ideas being adopted.)

And of course, who can forget the recent nonsense about changing Lavalon's name? First, Xon associates the name of this micronation with Nazi collaborators in the Second World War, insinuating that those who want to keep this tainted name are themselves closet collaborators. This pisses off anyone from any French-speaking country or French background, as well as people who like the name of our little Republic here. Then, the real reason for this craziness comes out. Xon is trying to impress Kieran that the name can be changed so Kieran will come back here and participate.

Kieran nearly takes the bait, but Xon says other things to re-annoy him. In the meantime, we all make plans here to change the name (so long as this "collaborator" thing is expressly disavowed), and we vote - get this - unanimously except for Xon to do this! But Xon has now changed his mind, and single-handedly scuttles the name change...then later accepts the law we were attempting to pass so long as Lavalon remains our name!

Can you believe this stuff? Do you think you could tell someone you're now changing your mind after such lengths have been gone to do what you asked us to do? It really made me wonder...does Xon give a crap about what any of us think?

I'm sure we can all see this as a pissing match between alpha males if we want to. For me, it's more of a "final straw" for someone who has been trying to make this place work despite constantly having to compensate for the behaviour of Xon. I'm entirely willing to just be a plain ol' citizen and let someone else be the border collie and keep him in the corral for a while.

again, just a humble citizen offering information to the public.... *whistles obscure tune*

[admin]

and btw, that quote is from the General Assembly, in a thread called "Rule: Should we require debate before voting?" or something aloing those lines.

[timjr]

Thank you. Again the Court has made itself very useful. I'll include the quote in my next article.

But I must ask, was this a quote you found in the General Assembly, or the original post by Zac?

[ZacharyKlaas]

It was the original post, but if you're going to split hairs about this, I hereby attest that this is exactly what I said.

[timjr]

Thank you.

Lock this thread, Nate.

[admin]

I declare this case: CLOSED

*snicker*

unofficially, of course!